Unlocking Potential: A Journey from Parasitology to Emotional Intelligence with Dr. Cath Covacin

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Jeffrey Shaw & Andrena Forrest with Guest – Dr Cath Covacin – Keys to Potential – 28.03.24 – YouTube

(00:04) well there you go folks um welcome to radio fmra and now broadcasting simcast live on radio and um live through Facebook and YouTube you can jump on to the appropriate Facebook channels and the YouTube channels and um those who have been regular would understand that if your first time and you’ve been listening on the radio now is a good time to jump on to the YouTube channel Radio FM M Australia or YouTube and Dre the forest anyway um without further ado and it’s like obviously um coming up for Easter uh tonight after midnight and um
(00:38) and of course for our UK listeners they’ll be switching across um off onto Daylight Saving one and heads up on that one as well so um all the best and um enjoy your Easter andrean it’s all yours okay good morning everybody good day and welcome wherever you are or listening in the world to Dreaming the new dream so thank you for being here um today is the 28th of March and yes Easter is this coming Frid Good Friday so it’s early this year anyway without further Ado it’s great pleasure to have Kath cson on our show
(01:14) today I hope I got that right welcome and Jeff met you um last month in a Mind Body Spirit fair and you’re all about keys to potential so great title because we’re all doing our best to to bring out the best in us and I know you’re working with children and doing courses for children which obviously reflects back on the adults e so without further Ado how did you start all this and I know you did share that you were you had a mindset to be a teacher but listening to somebody else that all changed so would you like to
(01:50) share your story sure it it’s actually a rather a funny story because um it was lucky because I was working on my website and I needed to put together my um all the work I’d done over the years and it was interesting because I could look back and see these really big sliding door moments and one of the first ones was when I was right back in high school and when I was in school my main goal or my dominant career goal was to be a school teacher and there was one day and I was in senior by this stage and um I ducked
(02:33) upstairs to do my homework because I had a teacher coming up and um I found her quite scary I thought she was quite formidable so I thought well I’m doing my homework and I was up there doing the homework I ducked out to get my bag from the bag racks and I saw this student there from a lower grade and the student was standing talking to this teacher that you know I feared and telling her something along the lines of you know I haven’t done it I’m not going to do it and you can’t make me do it and I I just stood there
(03:11) and I thought then and there that oh my God how would I handle that I couldn’t handle that how would I deal with that situation you know I went back into the room I don’t know how the teacher dealt with it but I to be honest my dreams were just shattered so quickly and so easily and that one moment so that was a really big sliding door moment so I I’ve thought you know I was a little bit lost for a while but ultimately I did get a job I worked for the state government as a clerk and um I was there about eight
(03:51) years and in that time got married had um three kids you know not I had resigned after the second child and stayed home to be a a stay-at-home parent and um while I was at home and the kids started growing up um I was looking for work you know I I was looking for something that didn’t interfere too much with looking after the kids and it was so ironic because there these friends of ours decided to open a clothing shop and they asked if I’d like to um IR clothes to put into the shop and I thought yeah I could do
(04:33) that and then suddenly they said well actually can you go into the shop and run the shop because we’ve got to go out to the wholesalers now my other big handicap you know was I was super super super shy and quite nervous and not confident at all but anyway I think if they’ asked me if I wanted to work in the shop I wouldn’t have accepted but because it was sort of like a side door entry I started iring but over the time you know it was just such a brilliant opportunity for me because you know I grew in confidence I could talk to
(05:11) people I mean the first month I’m sure I didn’t speak to anyone but um I grew to love it you know um I I ran the shop you know they’d go overseas for months and I’d be loving window displays and and so it was a that was a really sliding door moment for me because it it really brought me out and gave me the confidence now working in the clothing shop I didn’t see as a career move so I decided you know I had to kids were getting older I needed to get a career so I thought I’ll go to UNI and I also
(05:48) thought you know this might be an opportunity to be you know that school teacher again you know I thought I could be a science teacher because I went back to UNI to do science oh and um my daughter did say to me that the kids coming up today were not the same as last time so I thought oh there was that niggling you know kids aren’t easy thing but you know I thought well I’m going to do the science and we’ll see what happens but I was doing it externally first and working full-time and then changed to going internal and
(06:24) working part-time and when I was um went intern I’m sure the very first semester of my um internal studies a lecturer walked in and talked about parasites and I was absolutely hooked I loved them I found them fascinating you know I thought these manipulative little buggers you know they could make host do anything and they would um just Gore away sometimes at the host you know just um eroding away at them and they were so clever so manipulative they could you know the way they would do these things to avoid our immune system and so you
(07:12) know being a science teacher sort of got swished aside because I decided I’ll do honors just to see if maybe research is where I want to go and then I also then thought no I’ll do a PhD but I did a PhD and I included um parasitology and microbiology because I thought viruses bacteria they’re all parasites you know parasites is a big field and the main definition of a parasite is that it causes harm to its host but you know I I absolutely loved them and when I was doing that job um finished that study I ended up
(07:54) ultimately in a um my last position and this was another sliding doors moment because when I was working I was the senior scientist or senior parasitologist see for bioc Securities Queensland and I thought you know this job’s got a lot of responsibility it it was a lot of work it was busy but they loved it it was all about parasites and everything else Co came in during this time and there was other influencing events but otherwise um I ended up doing a course and when I was doing the courses I actually started using them at
(08:40) work you know if I had a difficult person to deal with I’d think oh I’d know what to do I’d you know go and use the strategies I’d learned in the course or if things got overwhelming or huge and busy I’d kept using the strategies um I had already learned and then I was there one day you know thinking about you know what difference would it have made to my life you know how different would it have been if I’d done the course you know so much earlier you know and I always think I certainly would have kept the science
(09:18) because that was something I was passionate about but I just wondered what changes it would have made and then I thought um you know as a younger person and I think about that time there was just a sort of one news item after another you know um a young girl had committed suicide uh uh you know several students in the US had gone in and shot their classmates and teachers and I mean here there’s this big scream against youth crime you know um they’re out of control and the the the citizens I suppose the police are just screaming
(09:58) out for um punish them you know punish them harder and you know it used to break my heart because I used to think what has happened to these kids what has happened in their lives to make them take the actions that they’re taking now you know to get themselves in so much trouble and you know it reminded me of the parasites that the parasites I loved you know how clever and nasty and manipulative they are and this is what I I was loving about you know one thing you learned in the course is that these thoughts and
(10:34) feelings and beliefs you have you know I wondered what thoughts and feelings and beliefs these kids have that made them do such you know as I said take these crazy actions it there is a couple of parasites you know that um we used to joke about when I was doing the study with the kids and one was um toxoplasmosis and um talk about manipulating its host it would actually if a mouse was infected with it the mouse would actually run out in front of the cat and ensure that it was eaten by the cat because the parasite needed to complete its life
(11:20) cycle in the cat and there’s fish that if they’re infected with the worm parasites will actually swim on the surface of water so that the bird will eat them and again the parasite completes its life cycle and I thought this is like these these kids they’ve got these parasitic ideas just eroding away at them making them do these crazy behaviors that’s not them it’s not their behaviors and so you know that’s where I suddenly found my passion and um I decided that was it I was going to change around and do
(11:58) this and the IR was I think was when I was looking at this the other day it’s like a complete circle you know it was that child that was a little bit rough and out of control that was standing up and talking to the teacher and these are the kids that I actually now want to go back and work with I mean hopefully we work with them before they get to that stage but they’re the people that I think needs the programs you know they need that help so it was funny it would sort of went all the way around till I’ve ended up
(12:34) exactly where I wanted to be teaching but teaching the the kids I I was trying to avoid all my life yeah yeah I never never heard anyone say before how much they love parasites but I can understand what you’re saying and why but I mean I have to laugh just Carol put up a little comment um just now as we were talking and she put crumbs is Kath talking about Pol politicians or parasites he I know anyway um yeah so um yeah so it’s a good way because I know you talked about emotions being your parasites and you
(13:13) know they go round and round and they you feed on them and all of that so so from this point from your that point onwards how did you put your course together well it was interesting um because it I’ve there’s been lots and lots of changes in modifying it and it will still modify and change to suit the um students but it it’s there’s several layers to it but I’ve just kept it simple and the very first one is just a simple steps and processes that anybody can do and and I’ve done it with adults
(13:54) as well and it’s like a just a simple process they can do to stop them residing in that one space um what we do is so the course courses are done by the students and the students get the skills I remember when um I was a parent and I was doing things and I had three kids and I thought you know I wasn’t things weren’t effective the kids were losing it a bit and I was struggling with my son and I would go off and do a course how to be a good parent and I mean it just added more Ang to what I was doing I was even more time
(14:32) poor and and you know but it wasn’t really helping the child I was trying to then interpret what I’d learned and put it into practice so what I decided when I was doing these was to make the children or allow the children to do the courses so the children are the ones that get the skills so it you know it’s I I was thinking of it ear it’s like teaching them to fish instead of trying to fix every time they’re they have a breakdown or or they’re in their a bad mood you actually um instead of feeding
(15:04) that we actually send them out to fish so they know how to solve the problem themselves so they become you know the their own I suppose predominant creative person they they look after their own lives so to speak because I because you said you work mainly with 9 to 16 is that still the case it is I do work with adults and when the courses uh run it was mainly to get kids and I I only really included the 16 in the early part because I’m really hoping that eventually it’s just to the younger kids so by the time they
(15:48) get to 16 they’ve actually done the courses and they’re actually it’s like a an a way of life that they have um I I could something sort of well some unique aspects of the course is that um so the kids do it not the adults although we do do a training night for the adults just so they can get the gist of what’s happening and and support it and follow along um can I just um can I just interrupt there um yeah what I’m picking up here is there’s two components to your um whole profile here the first one
(16:28) we had a lady um some years ago called Shar D cwood who um went on a particular diet juice diet or whatever and she passed out a a six foot long tapeworm parasite and and we’ve always heard about people saying oh mut instinct tells me this and um and then all of a sudden we’ve got you and you’re explaining how these parasites on the stuff and how they trigger the host and of course it seems like it to that’s where I come the two processors is the first one on the health issue first of all to go through
(17:04) and clean the gut um and get rid of those parasites and then the second component is coming back in and doing the keys to potential because they seem to Dove tail between the two of them to be perfectly honest now that I’m listening to you yeah one would hope that if you were doing the course and you would uh notice that there was some health issues then you would deal with them actually tape worms you know they actually aren’t that bad that they you know I always thought tapies were all right that don’t get me
(17:40) started because I said to someone oh if I start talking about malaria you know I’ve really lost it but fascinating because they just attach to the host but they just actually hang in there and they absorb nutrients that you’ve eaten through the skin I mean I think that they were actually using tapeworms as a dietary thing you know a long time ago God put tape worms in but you know to be honest they wouldn’t help I mean if you could I used to think if I could genetically modify a tapeworm to suck up fat now that would be brilliant
(18:20) definitely yeah so you could eat a cream bun you’d get all the nutrients and they’ just take all the fats away and you’d get this great fat tapeworm dropping off you you know um all the time but the Americans the Americans are getting Botox in their lips and in their bum why would they get it in their anyway not sure don’t think we’ll go there no all right so I changed the subject there but I just felt when I was listening to you I realized oh my god um there is a health issue here and and you
(18:54) you see the DU tow between the two of them because of your background and and micro b in the Paras parasites it just seems like and educating on top of that again it’s it’s a I think you’ve got a really great um oh it’s a it’s a real product overall yeah it’s it’s it’s a lot of fun actually that’s what I was going to say that they the courses are actually just based on fun activities and games so really they the kids don’t even know that they’re really learning and actually when I’ve run it with
(19:31) adults you know they just think it’s fun as well I do exactly the same thing I do with the kids that I do with the adults um the other thing is yeah simple the course recognizes it helps them to actually recognize their emotions and to understand that emotions are just information that’s all they are they’re just information of what’s happening for you they’re actually specific to you and that’s important for them to know too that um their emotions are actually just their emotions and the other thing to um
(20:11) realize is that um being angry or sad or anxious is not bad it’s not good it’s not wrong it’s not right it is just information of of what’s going on for them it’s their reaction to a situation or event but what we try to do is to separate um that emotion a lot of people young and old get caught in the emotion of an event you know they’re angry and you know when they’re angry you just can’t get through to them you know that they won’t listen they’re shut they’re shut
(20:53) down and all their actions come from from this angry space so we play games to separate anger out a little bit so they get to understand so okay you’re feeling that emotion but what are you thinking and you know there’s other things that they have to recognize that’s going on so the emotion doesn’t get to um to be the the main player of information for them to stay in and react in and they they get to learn too that their emotions are definitely unique to them so a situation may happen and there’s one we do in the first class
(21:34) it’s um there’s three girls you know and there is a small stray dog and the the girls same age same size you know and they see this dog now you know one little girl’s going to think oh you know or she could think that she’s really scared that the dog will bite her and another one will think that dog is disgusting you know it’s got stuff stuck all over and it smells and it’s just awful you know it’s just disease on a stick that would be me and the third one will just push past the other two and
(22:09) Rush down and pick up the sad looking puppy that would be my daughter and she’d bring it home and hope she could keep it and but you know very different reaction so everybody understands that their emotions are just their emotions and it’s really there as information you know nothing else um the other thing oh sorry that was just say is that learn they’re not broken it’s okay to be angry it is okay to be anxious you know um each person is unique that’s who they are and um we’re not going to fix them or change them and
(22:47) the world needs unique people you know all the things that shape us make us unique and so we don’t change who they are we just get them to spend less time as the angry person or the anxious person fantastic so when you’re working with the younger children how much do they blame it on their parents different things when you’re working we don’t even get to that stage what we do is um they play games and the first one’s just imagination games and it’s just a practice to separate thoughts feelings and other
(23:25) information so we just play games and it’s not about blaming um anybody else because all they’re worried about is themselves and what they’re going through so we play the um those games and those games are really important too because the kids have to learn to share um so they’re there and they they get comfortable sharing they get comfortable um you know talking about what they’re thinking what they’re feeling and what they’re seeing and they get comfortable with the process so they
(24:02) um we play the games and then we just get to the stage of uh thinking about okay what’s you know a situation that went um that didn’t work out and you know one little girl had that a friend came up and wouldn’t just just said to her I don’t want to play with you today you know that could be quite crushing but so you know we you stand there and we use circles and I love circles because circles Define a space they keep it in that space so when you’re in that space and you’re working through what you’re
(24:41) thinking what you’re feeling it’s just there you don’t go away with it you don’t take it away it remains in that Circle and sometimes we rub the circle out if we’re working on paper sometimes we put a line through it but they stay in that Circle until they’ve looked at all the aspect but then we um we have to tell them to okay but what would you really love you know even though this girl is said she doesn’t want to play with you and what it does is it just changed their whole Focus so then they
(25:14) focus on well you know I might just want to go to the library and be with some friends and do some stuff or I want to do this or I want to do that and so they go go to a second Circle and they think about what they’d really like to choose and later on they actually then take an action from the second Circle to create what they’ve just decided what they’d like to do you know they might go and get their bag and go to the library and you know what you’ve done is you’ve shifted them out of this heartbreak you
(25:49) know into some thinking about what they can do and that’s then you focus and off they go you know there’s all little rules you can’t make choic is from the first Circle because that just keeps you in that nasty parasite filled Fest you can only make them from the second ccle how many how many do you have in your group sessions at a time there’ve only been there’s only been a few and there’s only been a few at a time but you only want to be honest about 10 because you want everybody to um to
(26:26) be seen and to be heard and to to share you know you don’t want those ones that sit there and slide away in the background because you know there’s one person that shares a lot or so you keep the groups small also too if someone might be a bit uncomfortable about sharing you know they get quite comfortable in the smaller group you know it’s it’s more a little group that we’re meeting with how long do they do your your group sessions run for each one like so like you’ve got like key one so is that like
(27:03) a five week program and then they can go on to key two how does that work yeah key one runs for four weeks and again this one this has been structured because I very parent focused as well and it so what they do is they pay for four classes or four sessions now the first session is the intro we actually go through the majority of the the work in that one week I when I first started you know I went and I ran it with a couple of people and we we ran it and they loved it they had fun and everything else and they went home and
(27:42) and just forgot about it you know and I went back a couple of weeks later to reinforce it and they thought it was just a fun thing they did that day so we restructured it so once a week on a Wednesday the last Wednesday of the month there is the intro class so everyone has to do the intro class but then they can drop in to three Saturday classes they don’t have to be in order they don’t have to be you know if a person’s away for two weeks doesn’t matter they can just still drop in any three Saturday classes and what these do
(28:16) they reinforce the process so they can go away for a week or two weeks and and think about what they do you know and you come back and you’d say well um was there any problems you know was there a situation you know can anyone oh yeah you know I was really angry and I that then I remember and I did my you know and you want to reinforce that this is the way you do it the other thing is when you first start these processes it does take a little bit of time you know because you’re kind of manually working your way
(28:51) through but I mean for myself uh it’s very quick as soon as I notice that I’m feeling a NE negative you know angry or or frustrated I think we’ll hang on something’s going on here but for kids um hopefully it becomes a quicker faster process over time once they’ve done it a few times that’s why it runs for at least four weeks they can stay longer because they you know it’s just reinforcing the habit and that’s what so it becomes a a natural process and you know the younger the kids are the easier
(29:28) is to introduce a new habit it’s much harder in a um a more mature person I know my sister-in-law and she’ll be telling me something and I said even my daughter I said oh you think about you know the circle she goes no I didn’t you didn’t think about the circle because we’re so patented to to act and react how we have how do people find you oh stop going no I was going to say that was um how I so it’s sort of family friendly so it’s online so they can be at home and they just drop in and so no one has
(30:10) to be taken anywhere or picked up and um they can use the classes up as it suits them yeah online actually this was a great opportunity doing this and I have to thank you both to um being on the radio show um but they it’s online I guess uh you know that was something that I’ve actually been working on as well is about getting the programs out there and that was why I did mind body and spirit Festival was to just you know get the courses out to the people that um need them did you find a lot of people were
(30:57) talking to you about what you’re doing and and asking lots of questions they did actually and it was quite a a learning um curve because it was interesting because there was I had posters up and I could see that some people were a little confronted by the posters and didn’t want to admit that there was a problem then I uh there was also the people where they thought oh yeah this would be great you know I’m going to you know Little Billy here is you know always causing me troubles would be great but
(31:36) then Little Billy saw um you know recognizing and processing emotions and just it didn’t really tick little Billy’s you know interest at all and there was no way he would you know wants to go along to a Course once a week for four weeks yeah to recognize his emotions please it was funny we just went through I was talking to a mentor the other day we just went through and decided Well the adults get the information recognizing and processing emotions but the kids so we put nonsensical names in there so instead of
(32:17) key1 was recognizing and processing emotions it’s now called shizzle so a kid you know could be probably quite happy to say he or she has to go to shizel on Saturday and anyone watch shizel they’ say ah we just play games we have fun you know and there’s no um repercussions to it there’s no agendas or judgments it’s just this nonsensical thing a fun thing that they do fabulous um yes so like obviously you that was your first time at the Mind Body Spirit Fair so so how are people going to find you apart from
(33:03) that well so first off I will be posting there is also I was considering other podcasts right but otherwise that is oh I’ve written a book as well oh have you yeah I was going to say that I’ve written the book and it’s it’s actually aimed at um 15y olds and it’s a boy was a crazy thing to do I thought but it’s a book about Josh and to be honest it is just program one maybe little bits of other programs woven into stories so it’s a story showing um you know about self-awareness and making
(33:52) choices so that’s for actually probably 12 to 15 16 year old boys but um I’ve had a lot of adults read that one and love it as well oh that’s good so there’s the book and I had intended of taking the book when it’s published it’s at the Publishers now when it’s published and was uh going to take the book to schools to see if they wanted to include it in their um Library so the book was also a bit of an Avenue for getting um the programs out there but that that is my current um work is trying to get the
(34:36) programs to the people so what about if you obviously introduce yourself to schools and you know went to different schools to but then I suppose You’ got to get the have you got is it better to get the parents more interested than the children or something when you’re talking sort of the children think oh would mind trying that that was interesting I I know if I do and I probably will do a mind body and spirit Festival again I was telling the people about the course and um the a lot of adults said well I would
(35:14) be interested in doing that and um so next year I’ll definitely have brochures that say you know this is for the adults and this is for the um children um for I I love doing it with adults because you know it doesn’t go very deep it’s not going into I mean the second one does go a little bit deeper of course too because you actually look at why your response is anger whereas someone else might feel anxiety why you feel sad and depressed whereas someone else has got a completely different reaction
(35:51) so um I can’t remember where I was going I got distracted with my own picture but um I do love doing it with adults because it’s just an easy you know I used to tell them at at the festival it’s just a hack for adults it’s such a quick easy thing to recognize suddenly you’re in a bad mood you don’t have to be so they can you can just use it it’s just a simple thing of of stopping and and recognizing it and moving on and that’s all this one does it’s not going to go too deep and
(36:28) um resolve issues that have been there since you’re a child the courses I did um are brilliant I’d probably recommend that they you know do those up if they want to go deeper into it and look at you know why they think and feel the way they do we can certainly touch on it and I would certainly if someone was interested in coaching someone through it um excuse me now what was I going to ask you then oh so it must give you great satisfaction like when a child comes through the the first session and they’re working through because in the
(37:12) past we’ve all been taught to block our emotions and push them away and not deal with them whereas now everything’s shifted so much energy shft that you you know you have to look at what’s going on and work through it and move it on don’t you yeah and you know sometimes just recognizing that you’re angry it feels like okay she’s recognized me I can see that I’m angry it really seems to take some of the sting out of some of the but we don’t try and dismiss it or replace it or substitute it or you know let’s
(37:49) think of happy thoughts or any of those sorts of things we just say okay you’re angry and um I mean in the courses we did learn that anger is actually powerlessness so if someone’s feeling quite angry I know that they’re coming from a a position where they’re feeling like something’s happening to them they’re not the ones in control so um you can address that but we won’t ever change that but it’s just recognizing that you know I angry people are all right they’re probably just
(38:28) quite passionate we just want to move that passion to the wrong to the right place to the right direction but we never want to change it we don’t we don’t ever want to change the person you know I’ve said before that they’re not broken they don’t need to be fixed they just need to be able to um cope and I mean to be honest these these um programs are so helpful if for the adults I mean at sometimes when kids get caught in this anger or they get depressed and they withdraw you know the parents just can’t
(39:12) communicate with them and they’re not doing well at home you know they’re causing discomfort at home the parents themselves feel like you know their fames that they have somehow not manag to do the right thing or or you know there’s a bit of a shame they don’t want to tell people I could see people not wanting to admit that there was a problem um and at school you know they’re not learning because they’re just shut down I mean trying to talk to a kid when they’re angry is is just near
(39:52) impossible so after you know they’ve done the courses then they get to be a little bit more calmer at school so the outcome reflects back into the family so the family is certainly a more Dynamic happier environment and at school you instead of being the problem TR you know suddenly they they’re open they’re learning and they’re enjoying school do you find like when they do like step one they’ve quite enjoyed it and then they want to go on to step two too so you’re watching their progress of
(40:30) you know their sort of becoming more into their power and letting go of lots of things that have been bothering them well I wouldn’t originally are you I used to have that the young ones you know the nine tens 11s They would just stay in the first course but the difference is you can get some niney olds that you know as more mature than some 15y olds so I changed that but to be honest a lot of the time I think a lot of them are quite comfortable in the first one because they suddenly feel that life isn’t so bad for the older
(41:15) kids you know I sort of encourage it a little bit um it’s to and I think it’s more something if they choose to want to know more you know everybody learns much better when they’re the ones that have chosen to to do the course or to do the work so if they’ve been in the first one for a while and um and feel that yeah you know they’re really comfortable they got that and they may start to wonder why you know they get the angry one yet you know Johnny in the class is always anxious you know he’s worried
(41:56) about this and he’s worried about that and um when their curiosity is peaked then there’s definitely the movement to the second class the other three or four oh there’s three really structure um focus and resistance they’re really there as tools for the students to learn to be more I suppose more academic success as well as emotional success it teaches them about um being focused on what they want to get what they want to create and the process we use in the very first one really just flows through all of them so
(42:38) you need to do the first one before any of the others but again we still play games you know for the focus one you know we play a game and that’s for the people that were with me you know where you’ve got to throw a ball through a small hoop and you know you ask them to what we thinking about you know and some of them didn’t want to do it because they thought they would miss and look a fool and it that lets them know that’s where their focus is not on what they want to create that they’re getting
(43:08) distracted by how something should be you know what they could do or what do they need or do they have enough time you know there’s lots of distractions that take them away from their focus so these are just simple um tools they learn to to get their focus back on that you know that will help them as well you know a great deal academically the same as structure you know structure to me is almost like habits you know when you want to change something you need to change the structure the structure is can make things so simple I I remember
(43:49) when my one of my daughters wanted to give up smoking you know and she’d get up in the morning and out in the patio cigarette cup of coffee but the easiest one of the easiest ways to reinforce this is to change that structure you don’t get up and have that cigarette and cup of coffee you might have your first cup of coffee you know in your room while you’re sorting out what you’re going to wear you you just change the structure so they learn about having structures you know about setting up structures like they get home they
(44:23) might decide to do their homework first and then they’ve got the free time it’s setting up structures for success and it’s the same as resistance resistance is another one where um resistance is funny because it can be a little bit sneaky you know you you think you’re doing stuff but towards the end result but little things get in the way you know you don’t have time you’ve got other things you need to do that’s much more important but this is just resistance believe it or not to doing
(44:56) what you should be doing yeah it’s these are just and they’re just little two days and um that’s just really a a growth thing so the first two and because the courses are for children they just kept at this simple layer just to give them some information and a guide yeah it sounds fantastic because obviously you’re giving them a great start to you know know look at their emotions and you know and like it is recognizing straight away something you know we get a trigger and I think oh and then I think right okay why you know
(45:39) look it’s looking at it and then it’s like either giving it a voice or recognizing all right okay there’s some still some anger there and and move on sort of thing so do you find now that you’re going to be doing more for the adults as well yeah I’d like to um again you know I I think adults are funny to work with because they’re not as um open and it as and accepting as kids you know kids don’t see that there is um anything wrong with what they think and feel and they’re quite happy to say oh okay you
(46:16) know I I’ll do something different but adults can get quite um rigid a lot of adults like to think that and that it’s somebody else’s fault it’s not them it’s it’s the others that have caused this and look that is a I don’t know if it’s a good thing to say but that’s a bad way to think you know if you think that something bad’s happened to you because of somebody else that takes away all your power what you’ve just said is I’m so powerless that these things happened
(46:57) to me because of this other person whereas if you can stand up and say okay I created this ship Fest if I created it and accept that I created it then I can create something different so a lot of people it’s difficult to shift them from that blaming others it’s not their fault they ran out of time their car broke down you know all of these things if they learn to accept that that they actually created that that is quite an empowering way to be and I think that’s quite a key word at the moment is having
(47:35) acceptance you know you you can’t you know what’s the past is gone you can’t change it the future happen we are here now in this moment and whatever is going on you know different challenges or whatever is just having an acceptance this is what’s Happening Now isn’t it it is and you know there is actually a course that and actually I’m going to Africa to do part of this sort of course and that’s the thing the past is over when you’re living in your emotions you’re actually living in your
(48:10) past because emotions trap you into um what happened in your past and that’s one of the important things we do for the kids we ask them what do you see what what do you see happening and that is believe such a simple statement that’s so pivotal because what you’re doing is you’re bringing them back to the present what is actually happening now and I I do that with adults so what do you see because you know otherwise they get into this anger thing or whatever it is and they’re going oh you know it always happens to
(48:48) me you know that they I’m always being told what to do there’s always someone that’s you know telling me and you know I I’m the one that’s got to do they they’re way back in things that happened you know last week last year five years ago so if you sort of say to them but what do you see and um they think well oh you know things come up to me and so we want to bring them into the present to actually react to what’s actually happening at this point in time fantastic hey um just excuse me hey
(49:28) um I got a m him and his M and um they make sure that they go out on a date night on a Thursday yeah so they’ve been married you know before so they’ve got both got adult children but they’ve come to the understanding that they need to have time for themselves they have a busy life and they set aside a date night um while I was listening to you and um seeing all these different relationships that have um come together than they’ve dropped away in um throughout life it seems to be your your um keys of potential could be um a date
(50:06) night for couples to come and um explore the emotions of their relationship and how The Power of Words has affected a fellow um because the woman’s mind’s processing things and expressing it in the fellow saying where did that come from and then so your um your fun that you’re talking about um would would probably bring some life and some um festive and some Joy back to um um a relationship a marriage de facto whatever you want to call it yeah I’m feeling that pretty strong with you yeah actually you know you are so right you
(50:44) know even the kids have to learn that you do not know and that was that’s all through the book you do not know what other people are thinking we are always going around thinking what we think other people are thinking so you know in in couples it’s it’s interesting because they um they think that this is what the other person’s thinking and but they have no real idea and when you break it down and and you’re it would be actually a fun thing you know they’d go they’d say okay this was an event and then you find out
(51:24) that the person was was think thinking this and feeling this and seeing this you know it’s it’s quite an eye opener the other thing is too you want to take away the responsibility of the other person trying to keep this person happy you’re only responsible for yourself you know everybody well we would say is a sovereign being so everybody has the the ability you know they’re a strong capable human being you know we’re not there to make sure that that person is happy you you want to be yourself and if
(52:02) yourself who you are the way you are and the way you express yourself and the things you do does not automatically fit in with that person then it it isn’t a good fit but you don’t act or try and be what you think someone else wants because you’re just guessing you have no idea what another person is thinking hey um I know a lot of um potential healers you know body workers if you want to call it such or cranial sacral or uh remedial massage and so forth and they’re working on people’s bodies and um energetically
(52:42) they’re actually picking up the energy of that individual who’s come to see them um not only do they take on that etheric body of the person who they’ve just treated I noticed that one of those um heal is she will always go and have a shower after the client to have those negative irons go through the body just to cleanser ready for the next client because she’s discovered that when she when she um goes to bed with her her husband she can bring all that energetic energy from all the clients that she’s
(53:17) treated back into their family bed and it it does create um she’s learned that it did create a lot of issues in their marriage and now what she’s got done is transformed that and um they got a very healthy relationship I’m just saying yeah no and that’s another thing it’s funny when you’re doing this work he actually feels quite energized because there is something I supposed you’re a bit passionate about it and there’s energy to it and there is this element of fun with people having fun there is no
(53:52) um no negative sort of thing I and that was another thing I don’t if I mentioned it before when the kids are feeling angry or whatever their emotion they go to one is they’ll have a big one and then they have they’ll feel the the the array of emotions but we tend to have a a really big dominant one you know and but what we let them know too it’s really important that there is there is no nothing right or wrong about these feelings and there’s nothing good or bad about these feelings you know if you’re
(54:28) an angry person that’s who you are so that’s absolutely fine actually you know if after this talk if married couples want to book in very happy I this you mentioned Africa so what are you doing going to Africa then well the guy that does all the the courses I did which is William whitecloud he’s running a retreat in Africa and um a friend and I are going to go together Camille So that would be quite interesting and I believe so at the retreat that is the the theme or the premise for the the um the holiday I suppose I could call it a
(55:14) holiday I tell everyone I’m going on a holiday to Africa but you know it’s to me South Africa and that that’s the cradle of civilization so I was Keen to go there because of the you know Out of Africa yes it’s quite I think of quite a you know have you been before no I’m looking at some good energy from there yeah that’ll be amazing how long are you going for well actually I I’m staying on for a second retreat with another person so I’ll be there about a month wow wow when you going uh 2nd of August I fly out and
(55:54) return on about the 28th or 29 nice wow well have a fantastic time I know you will so yeah yeah it’ll be good hey um I just want to make an observation of of of life itself I mean I’m talking about my age group our age group and um that we didn’t have the intrusion of government um or councils everything had to be done um as a community you built your tribe I mean um if you want to build the clubhouse you know the men turned up and dug the trenches and then they use their networks to get building materials at
(56:38) you know trade price and and the the girls would turn up and have all the sandwiches and bringing their teas and all that stuff and and we built tribes and we also did you know Cubs and Scouts was all about collecting um bottles bottle drives to raise funds to to se Scout so to buy boats and also for the um the de Scout then and then go for camping and so forth and um for the Surf Club you know every weekend we turned up and and and that bonding with all the boys you know we’ve got fellas now who are passing away and all the boys turn
(57:10) up to the funerals and but apart from that we twice a year we get together for Barefoot balls and a couple of boys go and play golf my Rugby League guys we don’t have that the club died once the Brisbane Broncos came into the football league so um what I saw was that now with the co situation with the three and a half years we lost um our tribe and we had to find a new tribe and we found that tribe online and they could be anywhere in the world but it’s still missed out on the actual hugs and the actual sitting down and enjoy um you
(57:45) know you girls might have a rosé or it might be a cup of tea or um just that one onone human interaction and contact and and I think what I’ve observed is that when we grew up we would always catch up with our cousins and our cousins would would all come together and we’re very strong and thick and that’s because um you know in Queensland here you had to go to your local um newspaper to find out when the service stations would be open after 12:00 on a Saturday and he’d be open on a Sunday because they would all close down on a
(58:19) Saturday and so to the Saturday shopping would close at at 12:00 on a Saturday and youd had late night on a Friday night late night on a Thursday night in the suburbs but it meant that from 12:00 on satday afternoon and through to Sunday it was time for family and friends gather and we don’t have that now because of the the whole Dynamics and Retail where you know um kids are not interacting with their their parents or their their cousins because no one’s got the time to actually interact and and play um Cricket down at the park or
(58:54) kick the ball around or go for a in the pool or whatever and I find our tribe has somewhat been uh just disorganized disjointed um it’s going of disarray and trying to find that that tribe is where um your keys the potential for these kids to find um who is my tribe who who can I relate to you know so you know you might have gone to school and you might learned to play tennis or you might have you know played football or you know um might be in the reading class and learning about drama and all that stuff
(59:31) I mean I grew up in in an environment that if you went dancing or you were singing um you were you were betting for the other team and so generally all our Smiles never went down that path you know and so um it seems to me that our society and one strength was coming together and now it’s um disintegrated in in the other sense that people moved into I’m using Queensland now as an example of a major attraction it was like must come into the light so people come from all over the world and all over um Australia to
(1:00:06) come into Queensland and there was no networks because the parents came and they never had gone to school or been in the services the clubs or Associates so it became very strained um so I’m just seing as a as a whole tribal Community we seem to be disjointed and we’re not actually interacting with our people anymore we’re not building our clubs we’re handing that responsibility to the to the government or to the council to build we’re not we seem to be we’re not really being humans interacting with humans anymore no we’re
(1:00:41) quite fragmented actually so we’ve separated that actually that was two reminded me of two things one is yeah in the groups you can get quite this um feeling of you know of belonging you know and the thing is there is no because the gains are so imaginative there is nothing you wouldn’t label anything there is no way of labeling it because they’re just creative so one wouldn’t think that it was a girl’s thing or a boys thing because the whole time they’re actually it’s an imagination
(1:01:18) thing it’s a a thing you know that their activities and their games and they’re they’re just fun things to do so they’re not um I was going to say they’re not female or male orientated it’s quite an easy thing the other thing you know uh I also when I first started out I I was trying to put together these two I I called them rights of Passage because I really think you know kids somewhere miss you know that there is a certain series of events that they get to experience to let them know that they’ve
(1:02:01) they’re getting a little older you know then they they’re getting more mature you know these days they’re just hustled along and thrown out to a dance where they all dress up and um I wanted to run so it’s called rights of Passage one for girls and one for boys where they’d go away for you know three days two nights and it’s just full of activities where they’re they’re unplugged and they’re um almost plugged into the environment you know the boys get to do orun teering and the go and
(1:02:33) talk from an elder and the girls get to hear stories and do yoga and and to do all you know drumming and there was a whole pile of activities to give them this this rights of Passage so when they finished primary school and before they hit High School it was something they could go through to sort of reflect some sort of growth in themselves a recognition of moving on um but that was still in the planning stage well that’s so needed everywhere these days isn’t it bringing people back together especially on the evening
(1:03:12) sitting around a campfire yes yes you no just people just sat talking and you know being under the stars well if you’re in the right country and you can see them but we havan I have to tell you well that’s true yeah plenty of right okay so is there anything that you’d like to um words of wisdom that you’d like to leave us with before we finish today um just to go online and book in no don’t think about it book in you can book in and as I said that it’s all structured around to make it comfortable
(1:03:54) and easy um the relief you get when you’re you know you’re doing something for the kids to help themselves it’s not about [Music] um making them happy it’s making them wise you’re actually helping them to be the best version of themselves and and if you want to do the courses as well all adults anybody happy to do the course that’s absolutely fine you just let me know the age when you book in and we can do groups of adults and it’s true they they really are fun and I is like um Jack Nicholson and
(1:04:36) when flew of the cookiness or what no not that much fun but the thing is that’s so needed in schools nowadays um you know EV everywhere you go you know if you could give people or children that start from a young age you know what a difference it would make to all the children around the world yeah I I actually approached the schools trying to get it in because I thought that just the key1 program in schools would be good you know but uh you know the schools I guess they’ve got people approaching them all the time but
(1:05:17) the schools said that they’ve got a program and when I looked at the program it was about the teachers recognizing the students that needed their individual attention and this the teachers recognizing and doing stuff and I thought no well you know what about giving the K Kids yeah tools to do stuff but it is a dream of mine to see actually that key1 program uh put in schools fantastic that would be so good I think okay well thank you so so much and I wish you all the luck and success in the world because it sounds amazing so
(1:05:56) Carol’s written how can people best eliminate parasites from their systems what natural remedies would be helpful and I know that I was told dious Earth is brilliant for um spoonful of that for getting rid of any unwanted Hangers On yeah I I it depends I mean you know some parasites aren’t too bad not the tapies of course because they’re useless but there are some people that um and I don’t know if it’s the hook worm whatever worm they’re using to to reduce inflammation in certain parts of the digestive system I
(1:06:40) think it’s Crohn’s disease they’re actually looking at a parasite as a possible you know not that I’d Mess With Biology great M boggles yeah H okay thank you both no thank you it’s been it’s been lovely listening to you and sharing and it’s so so needed so it’s that the powers to be for it to go out on this powerful time out the airwaves to where it needs to go okay thank you so thank you everybody for listening and I’m having a holiday next week I’m having some time out so um
(1:07:20) but Jeff is going to be doing some on a Sunday evening which I might tune into we’ll take it from there hey um I going to because the lady’s in the United States and it’s too early in the morning for us so we’re going to do the show but we’re not going to we’re going to record it and then play it on our normal Thursday night but um look this lady we’re going to have she’s from um a former from the Department of Defense and um she’s going to um explain about time for disclosure with all the um
(1:07:49) extraterrestrials um people off world who have um met up with different governments over the years here on planet Earth and um it’s going to be an interesting subject very yeah all right all right well thank you once again Kath and thank you Jeffrey and um thank you everybody for listening y okay bye.